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Ok Marines in a Rhino

Rhino Moves 6" 2 guys (not with HW) can shoot from the Hatch, Rhino Can Shoot
Rhino moves 12" no guys can shoot from the Hatch, Rhino cannot shoot
Rhino moves 12" and guys get out, all guys can shoot (except HW), Rhino cannot shoot

Ork Truk/Skimmer(of appropriate type)

Ork Truk/Skimmer Moves 6" all guys (not with HW) can shoot out, Ork Truk/Skimmer Can Shoot
Ork Truk/Skimmer moves 12" CAN GUYS SHOOT WITHOUT GETTING OUT, Ork Truk/Skimmer Can Shoot
Ork Truk/Skimmer moves 12" and guys get out, all guys can shoot (except HW), Ork Truk/Skimmer Can Shoot
Ork Truk/Skimmer moves 12"+, no guys can shoot whether got out or not (usually can't get out), Ork Truk/Skimmer Cannot Shoot

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Last edited by Karma (2009-10-08 09:22:08)

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Yeah its stupid isn't it. Moving as fast as possible means you can't lean out the top and pop a few shots off but you have enough to jump out of the rhino, steady yourselves and lay a load of shooting down.....

Makes game-mechanics sense as it makes you take a choice but makes no real sense.

Urban Knight

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Karma wrote:
Ok Marines in a Rhino

Rhino Moves 6" 2 guys (not with HW) can shoot from the Hatch, Rhino Can Shoot
Rhino moves 12" no guys can shoot from the Hatch, Rhino cannot shoot
Rhino moves 12" and guys get out, all guys can shoot (except HW), Rhino cannot shoot

Ork Truk/Skimmer(of appropriate type)

Ork Truk/Skimmer Moves 6" all guys (not with HW) can shoot out, Ork Truk/Skimmer Can Shoot
Ork Truk/Skimmer moves 12" CAN GUYS SHOOT WITHOUT GETTING OUT, Ork Truk/Skimmer Can Shoot
Ork Truk/Skimmer moves 12" and guys get out, all guys can shoot (except HW), Ork Truk/Skimmer Can Shoot
Ork Truk/Skimmer moves 12"+, no guys can shoot whether got out or not (usually can't get out), Ork Truk/Skimmer Cannot Shoot

Any vehicle moves that more than 6" then the passengers can not shoot unless they get out (Exception 7" for Red paint Job). If they get out they can shoot regardless of distance moved.

If a vehicle moves more than 12" (13" Red Paint) then Passengers can not normally disembark so can't shoot. However if a Vehicle is destroyed during movement (as a result of Tank Shock/Ram or Transport is part of a unit and imombalised) then so long as the unit is not pinned it can then shoot.

Dazedandconfused

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Urban Knight wrote:
If a vehicle moves more than 12" (13" Red Paint) then Passengers can not normally disembark so can't shoot. However if a Vehicle is destroyed during movement (as a result of Tank Shock/Ram or Transport is part of a unit and imombalised) then so long as the unit is not pinned it can then shoot.

This is something I was meant to post up a while ago- If a vehicle moves flat out/rams, can the contents shoot if the transport is destroyed? I have a habit of ramming my serpents 24" and them blowing up, a few times I've used this as a deliberate "tactic" to get a unit of fire dragons into close melta range against a unit that can start the turn a good 30" away. It seems to be wrong but I haven't found anything preventing me from doing so, as long as the dragons aren't pinned. Also on an explosion result I believe they can flee from losing casualties in my movement phase and still melt something if still close enough.

Is there anything that stops this being viable cos it seems a bit bent

Also a ramming q, ramming states pivot on the spot towards designated target and move forward full speed- so is it possible to deploy sideways and ram turn 1? I know during normal movement you can't finish a move more than 24" away from starting point but following the raw for ramming seems to cause the vehicle to almost always move more than full speed, unless ramming straight ahead.

Urban Knight

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Dazedandconfused wrote:
Is there anything that stops this being viable cos it seems a bit bent

No and not really that Bent considering you still have to roll a 5 or 6 if you manage to beat your own AV. Would be easier to do with Trukks for Orks - so long as Ork Trukks can actually Ram (I am unsure on this point) as they are open Topped.

The pivot question is a good one. if you are planning to do this I would discuss with your opponant how vehicles move with relation to pivoting before the game to ensue you are singing from the same song book.

I had a situation in a tournie where an Eldar player insisted that no part of my Battle Wagon could travel no further than 13" regardless of the Pivot. Which was fine until Turn 5 Where he needed use the pivot distance to get a wave serpent into contest range of an objective. Cost him the game.

Ahh how he tried to wheedle out of it - Hosed by his own rules lawyering - especially as I didn't need the distance as I super Waaaahhhhhhhhed.

Dazedandconfused

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Urban Knight wrote:
No and not really that Bent considering you still have to roll a 5 or 6 if you manage to beat your own AV. Would be easier to do with Trukks for Orks - so long as Ork Trukks can actually Ram (I am unsure on this point) as they are open Topped.

Orks i suppose is the does Ram=Tankshock, same prob as the rollers I suppose.

I pen myself on a 3, then need a 4, immob is good enough as it's flat out, also don't take damage and gain another 2" on a 4/5. You'd be surprised how often it happens, almost every time I ram. Though I do normally wait till serpents are empty.

The pivot question is a good one. if you are planning to do this I would discuss with your opponant how vehicles move with relation to pivoting before the game to ensue you are singing from the same song book.

Prob here is my opponent guesses what I'm up to and deploys differently. It's not that bent I know, but sometimes it's the unexpected things that win games for you.

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Urban Knight wrote:
player insisted that no part of my Battle Wagon could travel no further than 13" regardless of the Pivot.

That's definitely how I'd play it.

A lot of vehicles (Rhino and Land Raider) are almost square, but the GW Battle Wagon is much longer than it is wide so it's more of a noticeable issue.

Karma

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Urban Knight wrote:
The pivot question is a good one. if you are planning to do this I would discuss with your opponant how vehicles move with relation to pivoting before the game to ensue you are singing from the same song book.
Prob here is my opponent guesses what I'm up to and deploys differently. It's not that bent I know, but sometimes it's the unexpected things that win games for you.

No question at all no part of the vehicle moves more than the intended distance

If for example I have a raider parked parallel to my board and I want to move it 12" and have the front pointing at my opponents board edge. I measure 12" from the side and then put the front there.

I do not pivot and then measure 12"...or else I would gain about 3"

Dazedandconfused

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Karma wrote:
I do not pivot and then measure 12"...or else I would gain about 3"

Agree completely, this is how normal movement works regardless of how some try to play it. But I'm only talking about ramming and following the instructions of how to ram, which is pivot then move full distance in straight line etc. So by raw this means unless you hit something causing you to stop then often the distance travelled may well be more than the speed of the vehicle, of course varies with different vehicle shapes etc. Unless I'm missing something?

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