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First off, at Phil's request, here's little intro into betting:

Bookies use fractions, often referred to as 'odds' or 'prices'. As an example lets use 7/4. Your winnings are determined by how much you stake; your stake is multiplied by the first number, in this case 7, and then that figure divided by the second, in this case 4. Lets say you stake 5gc.

5X7 = 35
35/4 = 8.75
Plus your original stake of 5gc = 13.75.
Rounded to the nearest whole number = 14gc.

Groovy, eh?

Then we can go onto doubles, trebles etc.

A double is very similar, but you pick two contenders. When the first contender wins we do the above calculation, and then all of the winnings go onto the second contender. Example:

We pick two fighters, one priced at evens and the other at 6/4. We put on a 2gc double. The first wins at evens so we win 4gc. That 4gc then goes onto the second fighter at 6/4. He also wins, netting us 10gc for a 2gc stake. Trebles are the same but include three, and four-folds, five-folds etc are the same but larger. These are called accumulators. As you can probably see, it is very easy to win big for very little investment. However, if one of your fighters loses, the bet is down - all must win or it's no moolah for you.

John McKillYouQuick's Betting Service

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A few rules now:

- You may only back one contender in each match. With the odds available it is possible to back both fighters and still come out winning. Avoiding this can be done with the right pricing but that involves too much time, effort and maths.

- Bets must be proposed in this thread or in the presence of others and the relevant amount of gold crowns immediately removed from your warband's treasury, before the fight takes place.

- When you have proposed your bet I, or some other neutral party, will tell you how much you stand to win. If you are present when the fight takes place you may immediately add said amount to your treasury. If you are not present please wait for somebody to post up the result of the match.

- You may only back one contender in each ante-post market.

And now, presenting the schedule for round 2 of the impeccably incorruptable UPFC:

6/4 Moloch the Merman vs Pauli D'isgized 4/7

4/6 Thoraxe vs Skabbisnout 6/5

19/20 Brace-Face vs Chang Hi 1/1

5/6 Conan Skeletor vs Maximus D 19/20

19/20 Chuck Norris vs Ironhead 5/6

3/10 Douglas vs Pustus 21/10

5/1 Jolly Roger vs Putrhed Putrhedson 1/7

Ante-Post Bets (bets in the future)

To Win Outright:

Moloch - tbc after round 2
Pauli - tbc after round 2
Thoraxe - tbc after round 2
Skabbisnout - tbc after round 2
Brace-Face - tbc after round 2
Chang Hi - tbc after round 2
Conan - tbc after round 2
Maximus - tbc after round 2
Chuck Norris - tbc after round 2
Ironhead - tbc after round 2
Douglas - tbc after round 2
Pustus - tbc after round 2
Jolly Roger - tbc after round 2
Putrhed - tbc after round 2
Bad Max - tbc after round 2

To Survive the Tournament:

Moloch - 2/1
Pauli - 2/1
Thoraxe - 2/1
Skabbisnout - 2/1
Brace-Face - 2/1
Chang Hi - 2/1
Conan - 2/1
Maximus - 2/1
Chuck Norris - 2/1
Ironhead - 2/1
Douglas - 2/1
Jolly Roger - 2/1
Putrhed - 2/1
Bad Max - 2/1
Pustus - 4/1

To win most crowd points:

Moloch - 2/1
Ironhead - 2/1
Thoraxe - 4/1
Douglas - 4/1
Skabbisnout - 5/1
Brace-Face - 9/1
Pustus - 10/1
Chang Hi - 14/1
Jolly Roger - 14/1
Conan - 18/1
Putrhed - 18/1
Maximus - 20/1
Chuck - 25/1
Bad Max - 25/1

Number of movie quotes uttered before the end of the campaign:

Not Enough - 10000/1
Too Many - 1/10000

These prices will change as the tournament progresses. As fighters pick up injuries their prices will drift out (get bigger) and as they pick up groovy new skills their prices will shorten (get smaller). It's up to you, the punter, to decide when it is best to place a bet on the ante-post markets. Remember you can only have one bet on each ante-post market. I will also add new markets at a later date as I am currently posting from work.

Disclaimer: While I may have a rudimentary understanding of bookmaking I have little understanding of Mordheim, so these odds may be a little... unbalanced. For now anyway. Maybe you can win some easy money before we iron out the kinks.

Godfather Viktor

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Quick question Andy: if we bet a gold crowns amount equal to the second number (or multiples of it) in the odd and we win, we'll get the first number (or multiples of it) PLUS our original bet in gold crowns back, is that right?
Examples:
a) I bet 10gc on Pustus to win against Douglas. Pustus is given at 21/10 so if he wins I'll get 31gc (62 for a 20 bet, 93 for a 30 bet and so on).
b) I bet 7gc on Pauli to win against Moloch. Pauli is given 4/7 so if he wins I'll get 11gc (22 for a bet of 14, 33 for a bet of 21 and so on).
Which also means that if the first number in the odd is greater than the second the fighter is considered unlikely to win, the bigger the difference the more unlikely to win he is.
If that's right I think I have to dig out some Bukowski short story and see how he went around betting on horses and never loosing money

Andy

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That's exactly right, Viktor. If the first number is smaller than the second that's called being 'odds on'. Anything shorter than even money is called odds on.

Basically, you want the first number to be as high as possible and the second to be as low as possible.

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Last edited by Andy (2010-08-14 10:25:07)

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Andy wrote:
Number of movie quotes uttered before the end of the campaign:

Not Enough - 10000/1
Too Many - 1/10000

...couldn't stop laughing at that for quite some time!

Andy wrote:
First off, at Phil's request, here's little intro into betting:

I don't pretend to be a man of the people. But I do try to be a man for the people.

Godfather Viktor

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Andy wrote:
Basically, you want the first number to be as high as possible and the second to be as low as possible.

That's what you bookies want us to think! And the lure of a big win for a single bet is what ruins a lot of punters. But wise guys will go for more small bets on odds-on. Less chances you're loosing money and a nearly steady and constant, although small, positive cash flow

Andy

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Godfather Viktor wrote:
Andy wrote:
Basically, you want the first number to be as high as possible and the second to be as low as possible.
That's what you bookies want us to think! And the lure of a big win for a single bet is what ruins a lot of punters. But wise guys will go for more small bets on odds-on. Less chances you're loosing money and a nearly steady and constant, although small, positive cash flow

Actually it's something of the opposite. People who only back odds on are a bookie's dream. Favourites don't always win and so the punter backs another odds on with a bit more money to cover their loss. In the long term they lose more and more money (albeit quite slowly).

The dangerous people are those who constantly back massive outsiders. If they get a bit lucky they can quickly go from being someone who has lost money on gambling to someone who has profited from it.

Davespaceman

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Go for the big bets. what's the point in only winning a little if I want just a little money I'll get a job.

blessed knight

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I'll make the big bet...

Jolly Roger to survive...250gc
jolly roger to win...250gc

(seeing as though my warband can't make any games...)

WarbossKurgan

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Andy - thanks a lot! This is brilliant!

Lee:
I think you should at least save enough to by a Leader so you gang has someone to benefit from the win (or throw to the Pits to pay of his debts!)

zelophahad

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It's also worth noting that we decided to give the pit fighters any profit made by the bookies when they escape for the final showdown.

WarbossKurgan

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Good grief! They are going to be terrifying!

zelophahad

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They are if Lee makes bets like that!

blessed knight

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knock a hundred off my winning then. i'll have 100gc on my warband then.

Godfather Viktor

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zelophahad wrote:
I don't pretend to be a man of the people. But I do try to be a man for the people.

Hail, Senator Gracchus!

How come we missed that one!?
Didn't realize where it came from until I had a Gladiator recap tonight...

You really are devilish, Phil!

Andy

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I got it. I just chose not to reply.

Don't encourage him, Viktor.

Andy

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Lee, sorry for not replying sooner. Are you staking 200gc on Jolly Roger to win and 200gc on him to survive?

Thanks.

blessed knight

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Andy wrote:
Lee, sorry for not replying sooner. Are you staking 200gc on Jolly Roger to win and 200gc on him to survive?

Thanks.

200 to survive 50 to win

250 on warband if i ever get a game.

Godfather Viktor

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Time to get things rolling for next week!
My treasury is depleted after having to replace a dead Sorcerer anyway...
All of my money (12 puny gold crowns ) on Moloch to win against Pauli!

Andy

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Good man, Viktor. You'll get 30gc if he wins.

Come on Moloch!

zelophahad

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7gc (all I have) on Moloch the Merman to beat Pauli D'isgized pleased.

Dazza

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Have I missed the fight? 5 gc for Pauli to win against Moloch please

Andy

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Excellent. Phil stands to win 18gc while Dazza will reap a princely 8gc.

zelophahad

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After yesterday's haul, the Merrie Men are rapidly developing a gambling problem...

40gc on Scabbisnout The Despicable, Destroyer of Worlds to beat Thoraxe

Godfather Viktor

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The hold Rats are getting exited at betting as well!
(BTW,it would be good to post results. I didn't find out I had won until I get to the mill today!)
So, here are my bets: 15gc on Skabbisnout and another 15gc on Braceface, both to win in their fights.

Andy

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Sorry, Viktor. I forgot to post the results. John McKillYouQuick never was the fastest bookie in town.

Phil will win 88gc while Viktor will pocket 33 for Skabbisnout and 30 for Braceface.

*Please gamble responsibly*

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