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This was my latest attempt against Victors Orcs and Goblins
Vampire Lord
- Red Fury
- Quickblood
- Talisman of preservation
- Ogre blade
- Hvy armour
- shield
Vampire
- Aura of dark majesty
- Fear incarnate
- fencers blades
- talisman of protection
- Hvy armour
- shield
- BSB
- Banner of the barrows
Necromancer
- master of the dead
- Lv2 magic
- Dispel scroll
- Corpse cart
30 x Skeleton warriors
- spears
- full command
- warbanner
29x Ghouls
Ghast
28x Zombies
30 x Grave Guard
Full command
Screaming Banner
5 x Crypt horrors (Used trolls for the game)
1 x Varghulf
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30 x Skeleton warriors
- spears
- full command
- warbanner
Skeletons can't take the warbanner as it costs 35 points and they can only take a 25 point banner.
Also your BSB can't take any magic items if he takes a magic banner.
Apart from those, I don't really think you've got the magic support to make grave guard and ghouls work.
The screaming banner/fear incarnate trick is ok but I'm not sure it will work all that often regardless if there are Ld10 lords about.
I think you have enough block infantry to not need the crypt horrors and would do better with a harder hitting unit to go into the flank of units stuck on your blocks.
Hope that helps a bit 
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Oops, sorry Victor some silly mistakes there. I don't think the BSB'sor the banner's ability was never used in the game anyway and it certainly didn't effect the result.
The Fear trick looks neat on paper but as you say its quite circumstantial, and Victor quite sensibly was tooled up to combat fear ( Black orcs and terror causing magic items ).
We had a discussion afterwards and we agreed that if taking blokes of infantry investing the nero slots to multiple necromancers would be a wise move, to reliably raise up troops. I had difficulty in casting Invocation often enough to maintain the units through multiple combats ( my dice rolls really didn't help here).
I also think a number of vargheists with a flying combat heavy vamp with a 4+ save would be useful to speed up the flanks, to take out artillary ( 2 spear chukkas, doom diver and a rock lobba really hurt) and generally cause mischief.
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Just done some scribbling and here's the bones of a new list (not finished yet)
Vampire Lord
- Flying Horror
- red Fury
- talisman of protection
- ogre blade
- Heavy armour
- shield
Necromancer
- Lv 2 magic
- Master of black arts
Necromancer
- Lv 2 magic
Necromancer
- Lv 2 magic
20 x Skeleton warriors
- spears
- full command
20 x Skeleton warriors
- spears
- full command
29 x Ghouls
- Ghast
28 x Grave guard
- command
Vagheists
- Vargoyle
2x bats
2x bats
Terrorgheist
- rancid maw
Totals at 2224pts
I also want a dispel scroll and to boost the infantry a bit so needs more tweaking.
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I also think a number of vargheists with a flying combat heavy vamp
Sorry dude, P97, you can't join a character to a flying unit.
Plus the necromancer can't take vampire powers so no master of the black arts, maybe you mean master of the dead?
If you can only afford 2 x 20 skeletons then I'd either combine into one unit or go zombies instead as you can't raise skeletons above starting number very well (only one invoc max)
Corpse cart would be good in this list to try and get a few points I'm not convinced by rancid maw on the terrorgheist as you only have 4 attacks or the vargoyle upgrade.
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"To err is human, to arr is pirate"
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I was thinking of the flying beasties including the bats with the vamp running as separate units but this does expose the general somewhat, although he is well protected with saves.
Doh yup I meant master of the dead, cant read lately
Another issue with vamps, compared to (O&G) is that you tend to have fewer standards, none available to ghouls and raised zombies, so I thought it would be a good idea to take multiple units of skele's rather than 1 big one. I guess they wouldn't last as long though.
I am quite tempted to run a lot of zombies instead of skele's, and although they might stick around and be raised up quickly, I very much doubt that they'll kill much.
Yup saving on the upgrades would help to squeeze in the corpse cart too, although in the last game I struggled to find spare magic to cast on it in order to gain the ASF rule, and so seemed a waste of points.
Cheers for the help matey
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although he is well protected with saves.
I wouldn't call 4+ armour 6+ ward well protected? Especially from the things that will be targeting him (2 spear chukkas, doom diver and a rock lobba for example).
Another issue with vamps, compared to (O&G) is that you tend to have fewer standards,
This is true but you only need to keep your general and one of them alive (say the GG),a BSB would help further?
Zombies have 1 attack at S3 WS1, Skeletons have 1 attack at S3 WS2.
Neither will kill very much of anything really - they're both there to hold up enemy units long enough for help to arrive. Skellies try and do that by taking fewer wounds. Zombies by being able to have much larger units and better raise ability.
Yup saving on the upgrades would help to squeeze in the corpse cart too, although in the last game I struggled to find spare magic to cast on it in order to gain the ASF rule,
Invocation (and two of the higher level cast augments) is an area of effect spell so as long as you cast that spell (it doesn't have to have actually healed a wound on the CC, just the CC to be in the area of effect) and the CC is in range you get the ASF bonus. With your 3 necros all being able to cast invoc I think you should be able to get something through.
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"To err is human, to arr is pirate"
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Ah super, thanks for clearing this up matey, I really should read the book more closely 
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