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Woo, finished. Sort of. Tanks still look rubbish, but I didn't have the time to do anything other than do a crap drybrush and stick squad markings on them in a probably non-historical manner. Annoyingly, they all now look slightly different shades of Russian green. Ah well, for all we know there are no painting marks anyway.

Am I OK getting a lift back to Manchester and a lift Sunday morning?

jimmy

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Sure - I'm driving Sat, Ade's driving Sunday

Finished my infantry last night - all sorted now.

Ade

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All mine are playable nothing more, not expecting great any painting marks but everything will do..... May spend an hour on Saturday morning doing highlights before Jimmy picks me up but they are not going to be universal.....

Added 07.03.2009 10:20:09:
Jimmy what time are you planning on picking me up tomorrow I was thinking about 8:15

jimmy

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I was thinking 8am, as google reckons it's ~ a hour to get there and first game is at 9:30, plus knowing my sense of direction...

Ade

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ok I will remember to charge my Tom Tom tonight.........

jimmy

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I've got tom-tom on my mobile as well, but backups are always welcome

jimmy

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Just got back, ended up 5th with 3 wins, 1 draw and a loss

a bit annoying as my wins were only small wins so didn't get many points, and my draw at the end probably should have been a win to me, but the guy I was playing was getting a bit of coaching from one of the LW guys that finished early, he was an ok bloke though.

My loss was against Fallsjeigher things - (german paras) - and I was assaulting in hold the line, a mission I never do well in - especially not attacking dug in vets with trained guys and also when his defensive fire was so ridiculously good, and his Tiger hit 6/6 shots on my churchills taking them out in 2 turns

I thnk I need to think more about my list and how it performs in attacking missions rather than defending - with the majority of lists in tournaments being infantry companies i'm going to end up attacking half the time, so some of the more defensive elements of my lists are wasted.

I was thinking of dropping my 25pdrs and getting more churchills, but I think thats the path to the darkside

Ade

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Came last (4 losses 1 draw), my list is just a bit to schizophrenic to work properly, spending all weekend attacking dug-in German infantry just was not going to happen. On the upside I won £40 worth of SOTR stuff in the raffle.

Grotsmeg

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Ade wrote:
Came last (4 losses 1 draw), my list is just a bit to schizophrenic to work properly, spending all weekend attacking dug-in German infantry just was not going to happen. On the upside I won £40 worth of SOTR stuff in the raffle.

WIN!

Well done Jimmy sounds like your better at FoW than you ever was at 40k or fantasy
(whats SOTR stuff anyway?)

jimmy

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heh - i think I'm just approaching FoW a different way than 40k, I think the pre-measuring helps - lets me get a better idea of a plan, in 40k I just rock up and do shit, without thinking of a plan most of the time, plus movement is a bit limited, FoW seems a lot more 'fluid'

SOTR - Secrets of the Third Reich - a 28mm Wierd War 2 game, with Nazi Zombies and Mechs etc - looks pretty funky

anathema

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Really annoyed I had to miss the Sunday, the games I had on the Saturday were some of the most enjoyable I've had at a FoW tourney (even getting tonked by big cats on a snow table was pretty fun!). LW seems less frustrating for the Soviets, being Trained and having access to 85mm guns mean that you can avoid being hit sometimes and I can now finally deal with StuGs. Oh and Tankos rock! They count for platoon strength but don't count against it when killed and they can stay in assault contact even when pinned, taking the faust hits before the tanks. Win.

Shame you didn't manage a win Ade, I came last at the CC so it can happen to all of us (except Jimmy so far). At least you won some Nazi zombies.

Attacking German Infantry can be a right pain, I've found with my Soviets that there's only so much you can shoot before you have to pile in and assault but against a well-set defence that doesn't always work. Its usually only worth shooting up gun teams to get rid of AT or HMGs due to the 5+ save and I've found my armoured cars worth their weight in gold lifting GtG for this.

Ideally I guess you'd use your half-tracks to focus your attack onto one objective before reinforcements arrive, but against any decent AT that might not work. What did you find went wrong and are you planning any changes?

Jimmy wrote:
a bit annoying as my wins were only small wins so didn't get many points

Perils of 1st Army I guess, small Trained platoons make it hard to get a 6-1.

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yeah, seems perils of Brits to be honest - platoons of 3 tanks aren't that hard (unless they're churchills), and I had a couple of small platoons to up the platoon count - mortars and aa guns which I should have prob just held back - need to think more about conserving my forces.

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I think I have to many supporting elements and not enough stuff that can actually do the hard work. I had two elements who can do smoke barages but they are useful to help my attacks etc but not able to do enough.

i think the M10's have to go playing properly with them they are just to flaky to be useful, may drop a sherman and replace with some stuarts and a recon section in 1500 points.

Every assault of mine failed (even going against pinned troops)

I think my list is neither good enough to attack infantry or defend in any significant way against tanks (playing armoured co in breakthrough really did not help)

Based on the number of players I don't think the tourney should have been axis vs allies (especially as an allied player facing Germans every game gets a little stale)

I also think at least on the mid war tables the terrain placement/amount was a bit low (favouring Germans) most of the boards could have done with a lot more cover.

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yeah, the axis Vs allies didn't really work with only 8 players - made Ade with 3 losses play someone on 3 wins, which is a bit wrong.

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Aye, Axis vs Allies is fairest with a large tournament but as you say will produce mismatches in a small one.

Shame you didn't do too well in the Breakthrough, I'd be a bit worried about facing all those Bazookas, but I've always found Breakthrough the easiest mission and Hold the Line the hardest when attacking with armour.

Mechanised companies are a funny one, as they'll always be attacking vs infantry (which seems to dominate MW) and attacking dug-in infantry is a reall ballache to get your head round. It took me a good while to figure out even the basic things not to do and I still keep coming up with bad plans that lose me the game.

Shame you didn't get to attack in Breakthrough, your half-track mobility coming on from the flank would have been really useful. I guess you need to have more attacking elements in there then and Stuarts can do just that pretty well as that's what you'll be doing a lot in Mid-War and the plethora of bazookas should help when defending against armour.

About the M10s, I've always found their mini-ambush special rule to be an extra headache to deal with, although they really can't take any fire back. Might be worth giving them another few goes in the future or using them in proper Ambush. 4 shots into the side armour or any tank followed by a disengage move tends to annoy armoured players.

Know what you mean about the tables, I've found most tournaments seem to be a bit light on terrain (Britcon was a notable exception for all tables except the desert ones), which makes attacking even harder. That's why I always try to have a decent amount on the table at home or at MAWS when availability isn't an issue as I find it just makes the game better.

Ade

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The M10 ambush is very specific though, either more than 16 + concealed or out of line of sight, the biggest bug bear with them is that they ARE forced to disengage if they fail a save, meaning they have to reorganise etc so they get shot at leg it and then spend 2 turns to get back into position.

In general ambush they would be a lot better, and I would take them in an infantry list. but after this weekend they are provisionally out of my Toy Soldier list.

anathema

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Fair enough, I guess I've only faced them in rifle companies before, not motor rifle.

jimmy

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Results up:

Mid war

1st Paul Frith German Paras 24 points
2nd Huw Peregrine-Young British Armour 21 points

= 3rd Andy Robinson Afrika Korps 19 points
=3rd Mark Clarke Afrika Korps 19 points
5th Jimmy Balderstone British 1st Army 17 points
=6th Martyn Bolton US armoured Inf 14 points
=6th Dene Green Afrika Korps 14 points
8th Ade Roberts US armoured inf 9 points

Late war
=1st Richard Walker Russian Recce 24 points
=1st John Skelton Commandos 24 points
3rd Simon Green British Rifles 22 points
=4th David Potratz Panzerregt Bake 19 points
=4th Dino Monticoli Polish Motor Inf 19 points
6th Robin Spence Russian Armour 18 points
7th Steve Charlton SS Grenadiers 16 points
8th Simon Clarke Sperrverband 14 points
9th Wayne Charlton German Inf 12 points
10th Dave Minnis Russian Armour 11 points
11th Jason Dawson German Paras 7 points
12th Phil Baxter SS Grenadiers 5 points

5th, not too bad - I do feel the scoring system was a bit bad - it used the standard 6-1, 5-2, 4-3 scoring system

Well done Dave - you came 10/12 with not showing up on the second day

anathema

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Ace, I was wondering where I'd end up. Quite impressed with the guy winning with Rota Razvedki, if its out of Hammer and Sickle then doubly so as they always attack.

Ade

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confirming my wooden spoon

Probably going to get my second at Toy soldier tomorrow

jimmy

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So far I have avoided the wooden spoon, I was second to last at last years Britcon - I think I may have just jinxed myself for the weekend

:hopes he doesn't come up against Pete and his Brumbars

anathema

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I managed to come last at the CC, but I've been all over the place in my results in general. Good luck for TS guys.

jimmy

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Proving that i'm the best FoW player in Flame On

Ade

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1. Sam Street
2. Ian Crosby
3. Chris Brownlow
4. David Blake
5. Simon Horner
6. Rich Bond
7. Adrian Roberts
8. James Hamilton
9. Peter Butler
10. Brian McGonigle
11. Chris Carr
12. Jimmy Balderstone
13. Gary Martin
14. Neil Hammond
15. Darren Burnett
16. Darren Woodward

16 Players and a Swiss draw system might mean i actually win a game

jimmy

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trying to see if there's anyone I recognise - James Hamilton and Pete Butler are from Maws, Pete's list is harsh, Sam Street will prob be using 1st Army Brits as well

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