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Andy

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They sound great. Top work.

Just one silly question about 'using' your special locations: Do you pick which ones to use before the fight, and chance it, or do you choose after the fight?

zelophahad

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Definitely afterwards Andy - simpler that way!

Andy

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Cool beans.

zelophahad

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Does it make sense okay? I'm goign to have a bash at an Excel sheet now...

Andy

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Sure, it all makes good sense. Although I don't envy you for having to keep track of all this.

zelophahad

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It should be fine if I can get this flipping spreadsheet to work properly...

Godfather Viktor

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They look great...however I'll judge them better tomorrow, after having cleared my computer station of a couple of pints

zelophahad

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My main concern is lack of incentive to fight over the 20 basic locations, but I guess they'll become popular when we all want to 'landgrab' towards the end of the campaign! But if anyone has any SIMPLE ideas Re. how to make them more attractive...?

WarbossKurgan

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How about assigning the Basic locations random values at the end of the campaign (so even you don't know how much each one is worth!) so some of them count as 2 or 3 locations?

Could be D6 minus 3 for each location, anything less than 1 = 1

Godfather Viktor

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zelophahad wrote:
Okay, here's the rules as I've developed them so far:
Map-Based Mordheim in Vercuso

Controlling locations

• Vercuso is divided into 30 locations: 20 basic and 10 special, which confer certain advantages on the warband that controls them (see below).
• Each warband starts with one randomly determined special location.
• A warband may choose to relinquish control of a location. The location immediately becomes uncontrolled.
• If a warband loses its last territory, it remains in the campaign. You may not voluntarily abandon control of your last area unless you really do want to leave the campaign.
• Warband rating is used to determine how firmly a warband controls each location in its territory: Divide the warband’s rating by the number of locations it controls. That is its base control score in each location.
• A warband’s grip on a controlled location can vary according to its ability to repel invaders. Each time a warband wins a game in one of its controlled locations, its control score there is modified by +1. But each time a warband loses a game in one of its controlled locations, its control score there is modified by -1. These modifiers are cumulative, but are ‘reset’ should the warband ever lose control of the location.
• A warband may control any number of special locations. After each game, you may ‘use’ as many special location advantages as you have heroes in your warband (including any taken out of action or not taking part in the latest fight) – it is your choice which to take advantage of.

Fighting for uncontrolled locations

• To claim an uncontrolled location, simply fight another warband in it. The scenery used should reflect the location being fought over.
• Roll 2D6 as usual to determine the scenario played. If the water board is being used, play the Slippery Jack scenario on any double rolled.
• The winner of the game immediately gains control of the location. (He may not voluntarily relinquish control of this new location until he is calculating his control points after he has fought his next battle.)
• If the game is drawn, the location remains uncontrolled.

Fighting in controlled locations

• To attempt to claim a controlled location, fight the warband that controls it. The scenery used should reflect the location being fought over.
• Roll 2D6 as usual to determine the scenario played. If the water board is being used, play the Slippery Jack scenario on any double rolled.
• The controller has a big advantage in deployment: 1) he may choose whether to attack or defend and counts as having the lower warband rating when rolling for the scenario; 2) he may choose whether to deploy first or second; and 3) he may choose whether to go first or second.
• After the battle, work out each warband’s new warband rating. Then calculate their control score, including the area that’s just been fought over. (Remember the win/loss modifiers for the player that controlled it at the start of the game). The player with the highest control score keeps/captures the location. (You will then need to recalculate the other warband’s control score not counting this location.) If both players have the same control score, the location becomes uncontrolled.
• This does of course mean that a warband can win a game but still lose control of its territory. This is what comes of spreading your forces too thin: The occupiers may be able to fight off the invaders, but they don’t have sufficient presence in the location to retain the hearts and minds of its inhabitants, and are forced pull back and regroup.

Alliances and pacts

• If a warband has a very high control score (or even if they don’t!), other warbands may wish to gang up on them to take their areas. In this case, fight a multiplayer and apply the rules above to determine who ends up with the area.
• Allied warbands may choose to end the game without ‘routing’ once the warband which was controlling the location has been defeated. In this case, the controlling warband will count as having lost (for control points purposes), but none of the other warbands will gain the advantages of having won (e.g. extra dice for exploration, +1 experience for leader etc.).
• Weak warbands with few territories may find their best chance of survival is to offer their services as allies to stronger warbands in multiplayer games in exchange for protection of their own territory.

Ending the campaign

• At the end of the campaign, the winner is the warband which controls the most locations.

I'm cool on this part! Won't change anything!

Special Locations
• Wishing Well
Lady luck: EITHER any hero or henchman taken out of action may re-roll on the injury table; OR you may re-roll (together) any of your exploration dice. In either case the second results always stand.

Here's my English creating me some problems... when you say "any hero or henchmen group" you mean all the ones that were out of action or just one? If it is the first you meant I think it's a bit to overpowered

• The Sail-Makers’ Guildhouse
Rum stash: Any of your heroes or henchmen groups may join the after-battle drinking session. Alcohol-fuelled bravado adds +D6 experience to each hero or henchman group taking part. However, on a roll of 5 or 6, the hero or henchman group has acquired a little too much bravado and must miss their next game!

Same as above...if it can be applied to more than one hero/henchmen group it looks a bit too much

• The Light
Look-out: When invading a controlled location, the enemy looses the benefits normally granted by controlling a location.

Which effects? The ingame ones (setting the board, choosing attaccker/defender and who deploys & starts first) or the postgame ones granted by special locations?

• The Battery
Blackpowder kegs: If the warband may not normally use blackpowder weapons, they can now (within the constraints of other rules). In addition, all blackpowder weapons count as common and may be bought at half their normal price. However, if the warband loses control of The Battery, all blackpowder weapons owned by the warband are immediately lost!

All those effects seem a bit too much...I'll probably reformulate it as "The controlling warband may now use any and all kinds of blackpowder weapons (BPW), even if they're normally not allowed. BPW count as common but their price is not affected. BPW normally not allowed to the warband are immediately lost if it loses control of the battery". That's because some warband may use some BPW, and it would be too harsh if they lose the ones normally allowed to them. I won't reduce the price as too many BPW in a warband may be rather unfair...

•The Farms
Food source: The warband counts as being D6 men smaller when selling treasure (roll during each post-battle sequence). In addition, the warband may exceed its normal maximum size by 1.

What about changing the "in addition" bit to "alternatively"? Again too many effects seem unbalanced to me

• The Old Temple
Ancient trinkets: Gain an extra 2D6gc income after the game.
• Pressgang Alley
Recruits aplenty: You may re-roll the dice for determining how much experience-worth of veterans you may hire. In addition, you may recruit a Hired Sword for free after each game, but must still pay the upkeep cost if used for more than one game. You may not take the same type of hired sword twice in a row.

Same as "The Farms"

• Binnacle Yard
Magic compass: When determining unusual locations found when exploring, count doubles as triples, triples as four-of-a-kind, etc.
• The Merchants’ Guildhouse
Trading savvy: You may re-roll any dice when searching for items and/or determining their cost.
• Vercuso Bridge
Strategic control: Instead of voluntarily relinquishing control of a location, you may choose to transfer your control from that location to another, uncontrolled location without fighting for it. All win/loss modifiers are ‘reset’.

Basic Locations
• The Barrel o' Monkeys
• The Hole in the Wall Inn
• The Emperor's Bane
• The Slips
• The Boarding Party Inn
• Wrecker's Point
• Soup Alley
• Unlucky Quay
• The Cod and Cutlass Inn
• Dumplington
• Slippery Jack's Underwater Cave
• Cheapside
• The Sarky Cutter
• Hangman's Square
• The Capstan
• The Whirlpool
• The Bucaneer's Blade Inn
• The Ropewalks
• The Crooked Farthing Inn
• The Shivered Timber Inn

Ok...you have my comments in red...
About the variable value for basic location I think it could work!

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Last edited by Godfather Viktor (2009-07-10 09:13:42)

zelophahad

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I like variable values of basic locations - that's very easy to do, and makes them more valuable than special locations in campaign terms, requiring interesting tactical descisions!

Viktor, you obviously think the special location rules are over-powered. The thing is, I wanted them to be worth fighting for! What do the rest of you think?

WarbossKurgan

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zelophahad wrote:
I like variable values of basic locations - that's very easy to do, and makes them more valuable than special locations in campaign terms, requiring interesting tactical descisions!

Cool.

zelophahad wrote:
Viktor, you obviously think the special location rules are over-powered. The thing is, I wanted them to be worth fighting for! What do the rest of you think?

I agree with Viktor about the removal of half priced Black Powder Weapons - just being able to use them is enough.
I think the Farm and Pressgang Alley are fine as written, personally.

The other things just need clarifications - which rules "The Light" cancels-out, how many models can benefit from "Wishing Well" re-rolls, etc.

zelophahad

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I've updated the rules in my post above to clarify the bits where you weren't sure what I meant.

Added 07.10.2009 11:10:45:
How's this then, guys?
Added 07.10.2009 11:10:14:

zelophahad wrote:
• The Battery
Blackpowder kegs: If the warband may not normally use blackpowder weapons, they can now (within the constraints of other rules). In addition, all blackpowder weapons count as common. If the warband loses control of The Battery, any blackpowder weapons it can no longer use are immediately lost (they can't be sold off).

WarbossKurgan

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Works for me Phil!

However, Vercuso is a mysterious place and some apparently unremarkable places may turn out to have unexpected benefits for their controlling warband. To reflect this, at the end of the campaign, every Basic Location will count as D6-3 locations (where any result less than 1 counts as 1).

Great!

Godfather Viktor

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+1!

zelophahad

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Saul and I reckon we're nearly there with scenery to represent each Special Location:

Wishing Well - fountain (already built)
The Leaning Lighthouse of Vercuso - you can probably guess (already built)
The Farms - use the fences, walls, trees we have already (already built)
Binnacle Yard - the walled garden (already built)
The Merchants’ Guildhouse - the building formerly known as the cultists' house (already built)

Pressgang Alley - represented by a signpost (just awaiting Saul's freehand magic)
The Old Temple - being painted
The Sail-Makers’ Guildhouse - represented by a pile of sails in a building (Saul to build)
Vercuso Bridge - in progress...
The Battery - we have a plan...

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i know am a litel of the mark here guys but ive only just foundd this post

The Battery
what about instead of the black power weapons beeing lost after loseing controle of the The Battery area
but thay carnt be used use the black power weapons purchased wile in controle of The Battery
untill more power is purchased at 1/2 +2d6 of the origional price of the weapon?

it just seem like the location is a massive gamble cos in one game u could potentialey lose
hunderads of Gc worth of items

or mabby thay can sell the items at a reduced price
say 1/4 o that original price or keep them ?

and its not like the warband would just cast the weapons aside just cos thay dont have any black power

and on the up side this would make The Battery a fearcley faught over place
haveing weapons u carnt use andd if u sell them ur gona make a massive loss
will be a very good resion to take it back over

Andy

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Seems fine as it is. An element of risk makes it fun I suppose.

zelophahad

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Sorry Matt, but it's waaaaaay too late now! It's quite deliberate that some special locations are better than others!

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