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So played some games this weekend with my BT's. One was ETC practice against Gary's new GK's which taught both of us fuck all except that being hungover and tired leads to us both getting touchy when we shouldn't. AKA I rolled nothing but 5's and 6's and Gary nothing but 1's and 2's.

Another game I had was toying with a variation of the 20 shooty Terminator list as a possible for future tournaments. Whilst it is fun it is not as fun as I would like it to be as basically I am doing one thing all game with pretty much 4 identical units.

So my ETC list is:

HQ 1: Emperors Champion (90) Accept Any Challenge, No Matter The Odds (50) = [140]
HQ 2: Marshall (80) Terminator Armour (25) Storm Shield (15) Chainfist (30) Adamantine Mantel (35) Auspex (2) Tank Hunter (3) = [190]
HQ 3: Sword Brethren Terminator Command Squad: 3 Terminators + 1 Sergeant (40*4=160) 2 Cyclone Missile Launchers (25*2=50) Sergeant replaces Storm Bolter with Storm Shield (15) & Auspex (2) Tank Hunters (3*4=12) = [239]

ELITE 1: Sword Brethren Terminator Squad: 5 Terminators (40*5=200) 2 Cyclone Missile Launchers (25*2=50) Tank Hunters (3*5=15) = [265]
ELITE 2: Sword Brethren Terminator Squad: 5 Terminators (40*5=200) 2 Cyclone Missile Launchers (25*2=50) Tank Hunters (3*5=15) = [265]
ELITE 3: Sword Brethren Terminator Squad: 5 Terminators (40*5=200) 2 Cyclone Missile Launchers (25*2=50) Tank Hunters (3*5=15) = [265]

TROOP 1: Crusader Squad: 5 Initiates (16*5=80) Lascannon (15) = [95] + TRANSPORT 1
TROOP 2: Crusader Squad: 5 Initiates (16*5=80) Lascannon (15) = [95] + TRANSPORT 2
TROOP 3: Crusader Squad: 5 Initiates (16*5=80) Lascannon (15) = [95]

TRANSPORT 1: Rhino (50) = [50]
TRANSPORT 2: Rhino (50) = [50]

[TOTAL = 1749pts]

Now this suffers massively from Lash, Dark Eldar and Guard. Guard because of Pysker Battle Squads and Weaken Resolve.

Now the ETC has (IMO and a fair few others I have spoken with) wrongly rules that Rites of Battle from the Marshall is modified by Weaken Resolved. Goes against what is written in the BT codex but hey ho its not the first time the ETC has changed rules entirely. This is pretty much why I submitted the above and not the below list.

BUT if people in the UK decide that Rites of Battle trumps Weaken Resolve (opinions????) - especially the Ribble Warrior chapter who are organising the Rumble (already text them) then this is what I am thinking as an evolution of my BT's to 1850 Ribble Rumble in August:

RIBBLE RUMBLE LIST 1

HQ 1: Emperors Champion (90) Accept Any Challenge, No Matter The Odds (50) = [140]
HQ 2: Marshall (80) Terminator Armour (25) Storm Shield (15) Chainfist (30) Adamantine Mantel (35) Tank Hunter (3) = [188]
HQ 3: Sword Brethren Terminator Command Squad: 3 Terminators + 1 Sergeant (40*4=160) 2 Cyclone Missile Launchers (25*2=50) Sergeant replaces Storm Bolter with Storm Shield (15) Tank Hunters (3*4=12) = [237]
HQ 4: Marshall (80) Terminator Armour (25) Storm Shield (15) Lightning Claw (25) = [145]

ELITE 1: Sword Brethren Terminator Squad: 5 Terminators (40*5=200) 2 Cyclone Missile Launchers (25*2=50) Tank Hunters (3*5=15) = [265]
ELITE 2: Sword Brethren Terminator Squad: 5 Terminators (40*5=200) 2 Cyclone Missile Launchers (25*2=50) Tank Hunters (3*5=15) = [265]
ELITE 3: Sword Brethren Terminator Assault Squad: 6 Terminators (40*6=240) 6 Thunder Hammers & Storm Shields = [240]

TROOP 1: Crusader Squad: 5 Initiates (16*5=80) Lascannon (15) = [95] + TRANSPORT 1
TROOP 2: Crusader Squad: 5 Initiates (16*5=80) Lascannon (15) = [95] + TRANSPORT 2
TROOP 3: Crusader Squad: 5 Initiates (16*5=80) = [80]
*** gone for deck chair instead of 3 missile launchers in the 3 units as it doesn't require me to build any more models. Oh and more importantly my Lascannons never fucking hit!!!!!

TRANSPORT 1: Rhino (50) = [50]
TRANSPORT 2: Rhino (50) = [50]

[TOTAL = 1850pts]

So the idea is that with double Marshall I can double up Rites of Battle and only if the Guard player is taking 2 Psyker Battle Squads will I then suffer (watch Dave, Josh, Rob and Paul all rock 1850 lists with 2 PBS squads in now).

I really like this because it lets me use some Assault Terminators which as a bit of variaty to the army in terms of what it does on the board.

Whereas if the mighty 4 from Preston decide that Rites is trumped by Weaken Resolve, fair enough but I will sulk a little about not being able to run the Assault Terminators because instead I will have to drop a Chaplain into the Marshall's command squad to make them Fearless and therefore immune to Weaken Resolve, so at least 1 unit isn't running away all the time (just getting shot to shit is all).

RIBBLE RUMBLE LIST 2

HQ 1: Emperors Champion (90) Accept Any Challenge, No Matter The Odds (50) = [140]
HQ 2: Marshall (80) Terminator Armour (25) Storm Shield (15) Chainfist (30) Adamantine Mantel (35) Auspex (2) Tank Hunter (3) = [190]
HQ 3: Sword Brethren Terminator Command Squad: 3 Terminators + 1 Sergeant (40*4=160) 2 Cyclone Missile Launchers (25*2=50) Sergeant replaces Storm Bolter with Storm Shield (15) & Auspex (2) Tank Hunters (3*4=12) = [239]
HQ 4: Reclusiarch (95) Bolt Pistol (1) 2 Cenobyte Servitors (20) = [116]
*** Cenobytes for wound allocation / ablative shenanigans more than anything.

ELITE 1: Sword Brethren Terminator Squad: 5 Terminators (40*5=200) 2 Cyclone Missile Launchers (25*2=50) Tank Hunters (3*5=15) = [265]
ELITE 2: Sword Brethren Terminator Squad: 5 Terminators (40*5=200) 2 Cyclone Missile Launchers (25*2=50) Tank Hunters (3*5=15) = [265]
ELITE 3: Sword Brethren Terminator Squad: 5 Terminators (40*5=200) 2 Cyclone Missile Launchers (25*2=50) Tank Hunters (3*5=15) = [265]

TROOP 1: Crusader Squad: 5 Initiates (16*5=80) Lascannon (15) = [95] + TRANSPORT 1
TROOP 2: Crusader Squad: 5 Initiates (16*5=80) Lascannon (15) = [95] + TRANSPORT 2
TROOP 3: Crusader Squad: 5 Initiates (16*5=80) = [80]

TRANSPORT 1: Rhino (50) = [50]
TRANSPORT 2: Rhino (50) = [50]

[TOTAL = 1850pts]

What do people think????

snake eyes

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As I texted Neil, we will discuss at club tonight and get back, although my instinct goes with your interpretation for now. In the two Rumble lists you've either got points totals wrong for the troops 1&2 or forgot to change the L'cans? Similar to what I was thinking of trying with mine, so be nice to hear how it plays out.

skcuzzlebumm

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Cheers Geoff, I thought it better to ask you, Rob and Paul now rather than leave it to chance next month.

mike

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do we need to submit lists for ribble rumble?/when?

skcuzzlebumm

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Noon on Sunday 8th August to ribblerumble[AT]ribblewarriors[DOT]co[DOT]uk

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I personally vote for the second list. More shooty terminators for the win!

snake eyes

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OK Neil,
Decision by me and Chris.
Play it as per the Codex as you believe it should be played.
Weaken resolve will only affect the Marshall's leadership if he is the target of the "spell".
At which point the squad can use their own leadership.

skcuzzlebumm

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Cheers Geoff, list number 1 for some variety it is then

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