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Thanks to Dan Abnett, I've been mulling over my guard collection...

HQ
Company Command
Commander
Vox
Lascannon team
Meltagun
Nork
Astropath
Chimera
Hunter-killer

Primaris Psyker

ELITES
Psyker Battle Squad
plus 5
Chimera

Psyker Battle Squad
plus 5
Chimera

TROOPS
Veteran Squad
Serg with bolt 'pistol'
Melta gun
Vox
Demolitions
Chimera

Infantry Platoon
Command Squad
Al'Rahem
2 meltaguns
Vox
Chimera
Infantry Squad
Serg with plasma pistol
Plasma gun
Vox
Chimera
Infantry Squad
Serg with plasma pistol
Plasma gun
Vox
Chimera
Infantry Squad
Serg with bolt pistol
Melta gun
Vox
Chimera
Heavy Weapons Squad
2 autocannons
1 mortar

1499 pt
83 models (including 8 chimeras)
16-18 kill points

Any thoughts?

commie bob

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he chimeras phil are great, if you take some [ maybe 5 ] with multi lazer, heavy bolter and pintle heavy stubber and then 3 with multi lazer, heavy flamer thats a lot of shots coming somebody's way and will ruin a unit of anything quite quick. to find the points for this shooting phase of win i would recommend

1 - getting rid of the plasma guns in your platoon for melta, saves 5 pts each go. = 10pts
2 - in your veteran unit, replace the demolitions with 3 melta, saves you 10 cause you already have 1 = 10pts
3 - the hunter killer missile on the command tank = 10pts
4 - getting rid of the bolt pistols and plasma pistols from the platoons sergeants = 25pts

that leaves you with 55pts to get 4 pintle mouted heavy stubbers for the al'raheem chimeras plus 1 for the command chimera, and replace that mortar with a third autocannon for 9 shots from each al'raheem chimera and 5 meltas to go with 3 autocannons.

hope that helps phil, don't want to ruin you actuall army layout but this makes it far more fierce because of that outflanking shooting phase. i do like the primaris psyker, nice addition if you can afford the points.

at 1750 as well you can get even more fire power with hydras and some more autocannons.

zelophahad

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Hmmm, that's an interesting idea Bob - thanks! Tbh I was only really thinking of the chimeras as transports and mobile firing platforms for the psykers. The problem I have with list-tweaking is that I already own all the models except the tanks and they're all metal (Tallarns) - the weapons are simply what they have.

However, I don't mind loosing the heavy weapon squad too much (they spoil the show by not having a chimera!). So I'll see what I can come up with...

zelophahad

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Okay, how's this? I've lost three guns (heavy weapon squad) and gained eight!

HQ
Company Command
Commander
Vox
Lascannon team
Meltagun
Nork
Astropath
Chimera (multi laser, heavy flamer), Pintle heavy stubber

Primaris Psyker

ELITES
Psyker Battle Squad
plus 5
Chimera (multi laser, heavy bolter), Pintle heavy stubber

Psyker Battle Squad
plus 5
Chimera (multi laser, heavy bolter), Pintle heavy stubber

TROOPS
Veteran Squad
Serg with bolt 'pistol'
Melta gun
Vox
Demolitions
Chimera (multi laser, heavy flamer), Pintle heavy stubber

Infantry Platoon
Command Squad
Al'Rahem
2 meltaguns
Vox
Chimera (multi laser, heavy bolter), Pintle heavy stubber
Infantry Squad
Serg with plasma pistol
Plasma gun
Vox
Chimera (multi laser, heavy bolter), Pintle heavy stubber
Infantry Squad
Serg with plasma pistol
Plasma gun
Vox
Chimera (multi laser, heavy bolter), Pintle heavy stubber
Infantry Squad
Serg with bolt pistol
Melta gun
Vox
Chimera (multi laser, heavy flamer), Pintle heavy stubber

commie bob

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= a bugger load of shooting.

i like it, its got some of the 'leaf blower' guard in it, which is a brutal list in itself; but still retains your own twist and theme.

the layout of you chimeras is spot on with the 1 heavy flamer for your platoon, vets and command for close quarters, and heavy bolters for the psykers who will stay at 24" and further from the opposition. you should enjoy the list and against some armies they will get really annoyed at front armour 12.

you'll have to see if the veterans work out cause they don't outflank, they may be easy targets unless you go first. if they don't work out then you'll have to find another troop to fill in the gap, maybe 10 penal legion for 80pts, that leaves you 100 left but if you drop the primaris psyker you can also have 2 hydra flak tanks for 150pts, more guns. i depends if the vets are any good of course.

zelophahad

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Thanks for your help Bob, I'm pleased with the list from a theme perspective and you reckon it should be reasonably competitive. Win win! I'm particularly looking forward to seeing what those two psyker squads can do...

What's a 'leaf blower' list?

commie bob

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just a term i heard said but for 1750pts a guard list can look like

command with quad melta
chimera - lazer, flamer, heavy stubber

2 platoon commands with quad plasma in 2 same chimeras as command
4 squads with autocannons 4 more chimeras with lazer, heavy bolter, heavy stubber
2 heavy weapon squads with 6 autocannons

manticore
2 hydras
2 hydras

3 veteran squads with trip melta in 3 vendettas

a bit like that whereby the guard shooting phase takes about 20 minutes and blows off the table half your opponents army in turn 1.

zelophahad

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I suspect the novelty would wear off quite quickly?

commie bob

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maybe, depends if you want to win tournaments a lot. i wouldn't like to use it. rather stick to my bit of everything soviet list.

zelophahad

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I've been tweaking the list a bit (mainly to accomodate modelling ideas of course!) so for the sake of completeness, here goes:

HQ
Company Command: Vox, lascannon team, Nork, Master of ordnance, Astropath
> Chimera (multi laser, heavy flamer), Pintle heavy stubber

Primaris Psyker

ELITES
Psyker Battle Squad plus 5
> Chimera (multi laser, heavy bolter), Pintle heavy stubber

Psyker Battle Squad plus 5
> Chimera (multi laser, heavy bolter), Pintle heavy stubber

TROOPS
Veteran Squad: Serg with bolt 'pistol', vox, 2 meltaguns
> Chimera (multi laser, heavy flamer), Pintle heavy stubber

Infantry Platoon
Command Squad: Al'Rahem, 2 meltaguns, Vox
> Chimera (multi laser, heavy flamer), Pintle heavy stubber
Infantry Squad: Serg with plasma pistol, Plasma gun, Vox
> Chimera (multi laser, heavy bolter), Pintle heavy stubber
Infantry Squad: Serg with plasma pistol, Plasma gun, Vox
> Chimera (multi laser, heavy bolter), Pintle heavy stubber
Infantry Squad: Serg with bolt pistol, Melta gun, Vox
> Chimera (multi laser, heavy bolter), Pintle heavy stubber

The main difference is I've dropped the Veterans' demolitions and gained a Master of Ordnance.

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Last edited by zelophahad (2011-01-13 09:03:19)

zelophahad

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Is Al'Rahem really worth his 70 points tactically? I'm worried that half my army might be stuck off table doing nothing every game while the other half are overhwlmed?

wanderingrogue

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so long as you take the right command squad dude then hes pretty cool

how many points is the above list ?

zelophahad

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That's 1500pt Gary.

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by the right command squad?

commie bob

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he means taking the astropath so you get the re-roll which board edge the ra'heem platoon comes on the board and +1 reserves.

raheem is good phil, its yet another strategy of the guard book that can work, all that firepower in the flank of an army is vicious, another bonus is raheem order for a cheeky troop squad to get some shots off and get an extra d6 move in any direction you like is great, means you can weaken 1 target whilst getting ready to reinforce another with the extra move

wanderingrogue

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yea, i had im in the list i was gonna do with all infantry (he was going to be ankhor prok in my kroot themed guard list)

commie bob

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all infantry, might try that sometime, i know you can get 10 lascannons and 45 mortars in 1500pts.

zelophahad

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Ah, I see. Well, I do indeed have an astropath. Thanks guys.

wanderingrogue

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all infantry, might try that sometime, i know you can get 10 lascannons and 45 mortars in 1500pts.
its mainly the melta gunnin, lascannoning, furious charging 130 guardsmen

zelophahad

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Used this list for the first time last night. Gaz very kindly gave me an educational thrashing - wiped me off the table to be precise (the cheeky git even randomly generated his Eldar list to make my humiliation complete)! It was good fun though (there's no shame being beated by 'Mr 40K Number 2')!

Now I don't want this to be a 'competitive' list, but I do want it to have a decent chance in friendly games. Chatting with Gaz, we felt there were two particular problems:
1) Not enough long range anti-tank (viz. 1 lascannon!)
2) The infantry platoon having to outflank (I'd not clicked the squads all have to make their reserve rolls separately)

I've plans to add a hydra for a 1750pt list. And I'm wondering about dropping Al'Rahem. But maybe I just need to learn how to use the out-flankers?

I would like to point out that the whole 1500pt list is all built and (apart from 3 chimeras) all

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, so tweaks need to be minimal. I also don't want to buy any more tallarns really as they're a bit of a pain to get hold of and not cheap. But I do have bits left over to build a heavy weapon squad (mortar, autocannon, autocannon) and a load of rough riders.

So I'd appreciate on-table tactical advice more than army-building advice please?

Although there's some flexibility in building up to 1750pt.

Finally, I'd just like to say that the psyker battle squads were awesome!

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zelophahad

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zelophahad wrote:
1) Not enough long range anti-tank (viz. 1 lascannon!)
2) The infantry platoon having to outflank

Just spotted quite a simple solution: If I replace Al Rahem with an ordinary commander with a plasma pistol (WYSIWYG) I have 60pt to buy a lascannon team for each of the platoon infantry squads. Neat (if I can get hold of three Tallarn lascannon teams).

zelophahad

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Okay, here's an idea for a 1750pt list that would require a bit of repainting but otherwise wouldn't be too tricky to achieve:

HQ

Company Command
Commander
Vox
Lascannon team
Nork
Master of ordnance
Officer of the Fleet
> Chimera (multi laser, heavy flamer)
Pintle heavy stubber

Primaris Psyker

ELITES

Psyker Battle Squad
plus 5
> Chimera (multi laser, heavy bolter)
Pintle heavy stubber

Psyker Battle Squad
plus 5
> Chimera (multi laser, heavy bolter)
Pintle heavy stubber

TROOPS

Veteran Squad
Serg with bolt 'pistol'
Vox
1 meltagun
Autocannon team
> Chimera (multi laser, heavy flamer)
Pintle heavy stubber

Veteran Squad
Serg
Vox
1 meltagun
Autocannon team
> Chimera (multi laser, heavy flamer)
Pintle heavy stubber

Infantry Platoon
Command Squad
Commander with plasma pistol
2 meltaguns
Vox
> Chimera (multi laser, heavy flamer)
Pintle heavy stubber
Infantry Squad
Serg with plasma pistol
Plasma gun
Lascannon team
Vox
> Chimera (multi laser, heavy bolter)
Pintle heavy stubber
Infantry Squad
Serg with plasma pistol
Plasma gun
Lascannon team
Vox
> Chimera (multi laser, heavy bolter)
Pintle heavy stubber
Infantry Squad
Serg with bolt pistol
Melta gun
Lascannon team
Vox
> Chimera (multi laser, heavy bolter)
Pintle heavy stubber

HEAVY SUPPORT

Hydra Flak Tank
extra armour

1749 points
88 models (10 tanks)

From here, if I simply drop a vet squad, its chimera and the Hydra for 1500pt.

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Looks good that phil, we'll have to see what mines like against when i finish getting all the bits a pieces together

zelophahad

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I had a go with a 1500pt version of this list against Viktor last night and it was unexpectedly awesome! It was my first go with 6thEd so I didn't really know what I was doing, but even with what seemed to be terrible dice rolls, I shot his poor marines to oblivion! Learnt a few useful lessons (like don't get out of your chimera until you have to!) but overall I was well-pleased.

I'll try and remember to post the army list when I get home.

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